Comments on: Ind e-Pen # L, Second CD Sell-Out http://www.pixcapacitor.com/2004/12/ind-e-pen-l-second-cd-sell-out The Fruit of Knowledge Digest: Now in weblog technology Mon, 01 Dec 2008 20:45:12 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.5 By: T-Rob http://www.pixcapacitor.com/2004/12/ind-e-pen-l-second-cd-sell-out#comment-2971 T-Rob Tue, 21 Dec 2004 23:55:09 +0000 http://www.pixcapacitor.com/2004/12/ind-e-pen-l-second-cd-sell-out#comment-2971 I do agree, Matt didn't quite know what he was talking about... Or at least realize what he was getting himself into with he stated his answer. I just read what Madhatter had to say and I have to (more or less) agree with him. At least in the regards that moral absolutes don't really exist over every culture and person. But to answer your question and kind of ignoring what madhatter said. I would have to still say that the Bible is good because it encourages you to love everybody, don't cause them harm, and the stories within the Bible support it. The Bible is a source of morals because of how the stories are set up and the lessons that they teach. I have to agree with Matt/Butt in saying read it. Start at the beginning and go through it just like a regular book. I'm actually going to give it a shot in light of this argument. Good comment there Madhatter. I never really took into consideration other cultures. Peace out, T-Bone (Rob) <-----That's my real name I do agree, Matt didn’t quite know what he was talking about… Or at least realize what he was getting himself into with he stated his answer. I just read what Madhatter had to say and I have to (more or less) agree with him.
At least in the regards that moral absolutes don’t really exist over every culture and person. But to answer your question and kind of ignoring what madhatter said. I would have to still say that the Bible is good because it encourages you to love everybody, don’t cause them harm, and the stories within the Bible support it. The Bible is a source of morals because of how the stories are set up and the lessons that they teach. I have to agree with Matt/Butt in saying read it. Start at the beginning and go through it just like a regular book. I’m actually going to give it a shot in light of this argument. Good comment there Madhatter. I never really took into consideration other cultures.
Peace out,
T-Bone (Rob) <—–That’s my real name

]]> By: butt http://www.pixcapacitor.com/2004/12/ind-e-pen-l-second-cd-sell-out#comment-2964 butt Tue, 21 Dec 2004 23:40:47 +0000 http://www.pixcapacitor.com/2004/12/ind-e-pen-l-second-cd-sell-out#comment-2964 T-Bone, its not that i didn't know what i was talking about, it was more that i didnt care and didnt expect it to turn into what it did, making me not care even more because i was already uninthused enough. love, butt T-Bone,

its not that i didn’t know what i was talking about, it was more that i didnt care and didnt expect it to turn into what it did, making me not care even more because i was already uninthused enough.

love,
butt

]]> By: Mad Hatter http://www.pixcapacitor.com/2004/12/ind-e-pen-l-second-cd-sell-out#comment-2970 Mad Hatter Mon, 20 Dec 2004 19:12:41 +0000 http://www.pixcapacitor.com/2004/12/ind-e-pen-l-second-cd-sell-out#comment-2970 Well it has been very long since I have put my two cents into a discussion topic, so I will do it now. No I believe there are not such thing as moral absolutes. It was stated previously that if there werent, the world would be anarchy. This is untrue. Comparitively to a utopian society, the world IS in anarchy. There are no ACTUAL moral absolutes, just moral norms. We, especially in the western world, forget that there are certain places that practice pain ritual, female circumcision, cannibalism, etc. These are things which we would consider wrong or perhaps immoral. To these such people, a thing such as cannibalism, which we would call murder, is simply a mode of ritual sacrifice or even nutritional subsistance. As for the aspect of killing, if we as a whole believed that killing was immoral, we would also believed that anyone who kills is also immoral. If this is true, then why is killing so justified under so many circumstances to so many people. Self defense, religious purpose, national pride, vengance of a loved one etc. Stealing can also be very circumstancial. It may not have occured to some people, but the salvation army doesnt collect for the poor in Tanzania. I believe that there are some perfectly sane, very moral people, who do not believe that there is anything wrong with certain forms of theft. I, for instance, do not believe that commercial piracy is wrong. I have my own, non-vindictive reasons for believing so. To those who believe that it is possible that everyone who is not immoral could possibly all believe in one thing is just as ignorant as to say "I have a blue button and a red button. Everyone must like the blue button more than the red button. Those that choose the red button are wrong." Thank you for your time. Well it has been very long since I have put my two cents into a discussion topic, so I will do it now. No I believe there are not such thing as moral absolutes. It was stated previously that if there werent, the world would be anarchy. This is untrue. Comparitively to a utopian society, the world IS in anarchy. There are no ACTUAL moral absolutes, just moral norms. We, especially in the western world, forget that there are certain places that practice pain ritual, female circumcision, cannibalism, etc. These are things which we would consider wrong or perhaps immoral. To these such people, a thing such as cannibalism, which we would call murder, is simply a mode of ritual sacrifice or even nutritional subsistance.
As for the aspect of killing, if we as a whole believed that killing was immoral, we would also believed that anyone who kills is also immoral. If this is true, then why is killing so justified under so many circumstances to so many people. Self defense, religious purpose, national pride, vengance of a loved one etc. Stealing can also be very circumstancial. It may not have occured to some people, but the salvation army doesnt collect for the poor in Tanzania. I believe that there are some perfectly sane, very moral people, who do not believe that there is anything wrong with certain forms of theft. I, for instance, do not believe that commercial piracy is wrong. I have my own, non-vindictive reasons for believing so.
To those who believe that it is possible that everyone who is not immoral could possibly all believe in one thing is just as ignorant as to say “I have a blue button and a red button. Everyone must like the blue button more than the red button. Those that choose the red button are wrong.” Thank you for your time.

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]]> By: Liquid Fox http://www.pixcapacitor.com/2004/12/ind-e-pen-l-second-cd-sell-out#comment-2967 Liquid Fox Mon, 20 Dec 2004 01:41:43 +0000 http://www.pixcapacitor.com/2004/12/ind-e-pen-l-second-cd-sell-out#comment-2967 T-Bone, I know where I stand in respect to morality. I was never talking about legal absolutes. If anything those are much clearer in disparity to the Ten Commandments. Don't get me wrong, I'm not some happy go lucky guy who's trying to push down the Bible. Trust me on that. But, when some guy named Butt says yeah "read the Bible" without even understanding the weight of the question, you can't help but want to understand what going through his mind. I believe edits and translations are very good reason for misconceptions from version to version. However your buddy has no idea what we're talking about. I remember very well what the original question; Butt gave the answer, yes read the Bible, referring to it as a source where Moral absolutes can be found. So I'll ask you again T-bone (if that is your real name) J/k. <strong>What makes the Bible a source for Moral absolutes and why is the Bible good?</strong> T-Bone,

I know where I stand in respect to morality. I was never talking about legal absolutes. If anything those are much clearer in disparity to the Ten Commandments. Don’t get me wrong, I’m not some happy go lucky guy who’s trying to push down the Bible. Trust me on that. But, when some guy named Butt says yeah “read the Bible” without even understanding the weight of the question, you can’t help but want to understand what going through his mind. I believe edits and translations are very good reason for misconceptions from version to version. However your buddy has no idea what we’re talking about. I remember very well what the original question; Butt gave the answer, yes read the Bible, referring to it as a source where Moral absolutes can be found. So I’ll ask you again T-bone (if that is your real name) J/k. What makes the Bible a source for Moral absolutes and why is the Bible good?

]]> By: T-Rob http://www.pixcapacitor.com/2004/12/ind-e-pen-l-second-cd-sell-out#comment-2959 T-Rob Sun, 19 Dec 2004 01:33:31 +0000 http://www.pixcapacitor.com/2004/12/ind-e-pen-l-second-cd-sell-out#comment-2959 You must remember the origional question. "Are there moral absolutes?" The answer Matt gave was yes, and to read the Bible to find them. I pointed to the ten commandments for just an example of some moral absolutes. Matt or I never said that the entire Bible was morally absolute, just that morals could be found in the stories. And that some are absolute. As for the Bible being absolute. No, I'd have to say that it isn't. Because people wrote it. (It's said that God guided them). But the fast that humans wrote it and that it has gone through edits and translations, the chance for some of the authenticity of God's word has been lost. So I must say that the Bible isn't unconditional because of the human error. (Even with this, absolute morals can still be found) But on the other hand, God's word is absolute and unconditional in every way. You just have to examine your heart and soul to figure out what his word is. You can find hints of them in the Bible, but not every word is His. I'd have to say yes and no to your last question. You go through it like a fable and find morals in the stories. But you can't just do that to every passage in it because some are foretellings and other things that I'm not familliar with. You also have to remember that we aren't talking about legal absolutes. That's a whole other discussion. I hope I was able to clear some things up. T-Rob You must remember the origional question. “Are there moral absolutes?” The answer Matt gave was yes, and to read the Bible to find them. I pointed to the ten commandments for just an example of some moral absolutes. Matt or I never said that the entire Bible was morally absolute, just that morals could be found in the stories. And that some are absolute. As for the Bible being absolute. No, I’d have to say that it isn’t. Because people wrote it. (It’s said that God guided them). But the fast that humans wrote it and that it has gone through edits and translations, the chance for some of the authenticity of God’s word has been lost. So I must say that the Bible isn’t unconditional because of the human error. (Even with this, absolute morals can still be found) But on the other hand, God’s word is absolute and unconditional in every way. You just have to examine your heart and soul to figure out what his word is. You can find hints of them in the Bible, but not every word is His. I’d have to say yes and no to your last question. You go through it like a fable and find morals in the stories. But you can’t just do that to every passage in it because some are foretellings and other things that I’m not familliar with. You also have to remember that we aren’t talking about legal absolutes. That’s a whole other discussion. I hope I was able to clear some things up.
T-Rob

]]> By: butt http://www.pixcapacitor.com/2004/12/ind-e-pen-l-second-cd-sell-out#comment-2962 butt Sun, 19 Dec 2004 01:13:12 +0000 http://www.pixcapacitor.com/2004/12/ind-e-pen-l-second-cd-sell-out#comment-2962 Dear Everyone, If there weren't moral absolutes then there would be total anarchy. I believe the Bible to be true so that is absolute to me. T-Rob gave a good example of the Ten Commandments. I don't think morals can come from science, obviously, and I think that if people don't consider not killing people a moral absolute then they are stupid. Love, Butt BUY MY PRODUCT Dear Everyone,

If there weren’t moral absolutes then there would be total anarchy. I believe the Bible to be true so that is absolute to me. T-Rob gave a good example of the Ten Commandments. I don’t think morals can come from science, obviously, and I think that if people don’t consider not killing people a moral absolute then they are stupid.

Love,
Butt

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]]> By: Frank J http://www.pixcapacitor.com/2004/12/ind-e-pen-l-second-cd-sell-out#comment-2969 Frank J Sun, 19 Dec 2004 00:35:42 +0000 http://www.pixcapacitor.com/2004/12/ind-e-pen-l-second-cd-sell-out#comment-2969 So there it is. Both you and I can agree with some of the Bible's commandments. However, this is where the problem originates from; You said it yourself, "that not all of them are absolute." And I agree. But the word absolute means: Perfect in nature, complete, and unconditional. Now obviously if the word of God was perfect in nature, and unconditional, than you and I would have little to say about which commandment or portion(s) of the Bible is or isn't absolute. But both you and I have already said, not all of them are absolute, correct? So is the Bible Unconditional? Or are we to examine it like a fable and picking the most acceptable Theories? Daniel So there it is. Both you and I can agree with some of the Bible’s commandments. However, this is where the problem originates from; You said it yourself, “that not all of them are absolute.” And I agree. But the word absolute means: Perfect in nature, complete, and unconditional. Now obviously if the word of God was perfect in nature, and unconditional, than you and I would have little to say about which commandment or portion(s) of the Bible is or isn’t absolute. But both you and I have already said, not all of them are absolute, correct? So is the Bible Unconditional? Or are we to examine it like a fable and picking the most acceptable Theories?

Daniel

]]> By: T-Rob http://www.pixcapacitor.com/2004/12/ind-e-pen-l-second-cd-sell-out#comment-2958 T-Rob Sat, 18 Dec 2004 16:37:46 +0000 http://www.pixcapacitor.com/2004/12/ind-e-pen-l-second-cd-sell-out#comment-2958 Moral absolutes. Try the ten commandments. Do not kill, do not steel, do not covet stuff and people. These are all moral things which everybody should be able to agree with. (If not, I'd be inclined to believe one was immoral) I'm not too familiar with the Bible, but I do know that it is a collection of stories that have morals to them. Kinda like Aesop's fables, except they don't tell you what it is at the end. You have to examine one's self to determine this. So yes, Butt's answer was correct. There are moral absolutes in the Bible. And I'm not saying that all of them are absolute. Just that there are some. Also, weather or not you choose to live by them is your choice. T-Bone Moral absolutes. Try the ten commandments. Do not kill, do not steel, do not covet stuff and people. These are all moral things which everybody should be able to agree with. (If not, I’d be inclined to believe one was immoral) I’m not too familiar with the Bible, but I do know that it is a collection of stories that have morals to them. Kinda like Aesop’s fables, except they don’t tell you what it is at the end. You have to examine one’s self to determine this. So yes, Butt’s answer was correct. There are moral absolutes in the Bible. And I’m not saying that all of them are absolute. Just that there are some. Also, weather or not you choose to live by them is your choice.
T-Bone

]]> By: Frank J http://www.pixcapacitor.com/2004/12/ind-e-pen-l-second-cd-sell-out#comment-2966 Frank J Sat, 18 Dec 2004 05:48:50 +0000 http://www.pixcapacitor.com/2004/12/ind-e-pen-l-second-cd-sell-out#comment-2966 Dear butt, Perhaps I was unclear, I apologize for that. We're both students in search for 'truth.' You were asked "are there are any moral absolutes," and your reply was "yes, read the Bible." So tell me friend, where I can find them? What are they? Your answer was 'yes' wasn't it? Why would you answer Carlos' question without understanding the reasons behind your replies? Daniel Dear butt,

Perhaps I was unclear, I apologize for that. We’re both students in search for ‘truth.’ You were asked “are there are any moral absolutes,” and your reply was “yes, read the Bible.” So tell me friend, where I can find them? What are they? Your answer was ‘yes’ wasn’t it? Why would you answer Carlos’ question without understanding the reasons behind your replies?

Daniel

]]> By: butt http://www.pixcapacitor.com/2004/12/ind-e-pen-l-second-cd-sell-out#comment-2960 butt Fri, 17 Dec 2004 13:27:04 +0000 http://www.pixcapacitor.com/2004/12/ind-e-pen-l-second-cd-sell-out#comment-2960 Daniel, I am not smart enough to answer your question. Love, Butt Daniel,

I am not smart enough to answer your question.

Love,
Butt

]]> By: Frank J http://www.pixcapacitor.com/2004/12/ind-e-pen-l-second-cd-sell-out#comment-2965 Frank J Wed, 15 Dec 2004 22:16:56 +0000 http://www.pixcapacitor.com/2004/12/ind-e-pen-l-second-cd-sell-out#comment-2965 Dear butt, It would seems that law is not always directed to the common good as to its end. For it belongs to law to command and to forbid an act. But, commands are directed to certain individual goods. Therefore the end of law is not always the common good, more less a moral absolute. Just what part of the bible are you asking me to read? Are there really any moral absolutes Butt? Perhaps, if you were a bit clearer, then considering your view might be easier for me. If you could just tell me why the Bible is good, I would believe you. Daniel Dear butt,

It would seems that law is not always directed to the common good as to its end. For it belongs to law to command and to forbid an act. But, commands are directed to certain individual goods. Therefore the end of law is not always the common good, more less a moral absolute. Just what part of the bible are you asking me to read? Are there really any moral absolutes Butt? Perhaps, if you were a bit clearer, then considering your view might be easier for me. If you could just tell me why the Bible is good, I would believe you.

Daniel

]]> By: butt http://www.pixcapacitor.com/2004/12/ind-e-pen-l-second-cd-sell-out#comment-2961 butt Tue, 14 Dec 2004 02:06:00 +0000 http://www.pixcapacitor.com/2004/12/ind-e-pen-l-second-cd-sell-out#comment-2961 Carlos you ignorant slut, My livejournal is on the backburner for now and right now I'm on facebook as KJ Ramo. Do a global search for me at IUP! A Small Quiz: 1. yes. read the Bible. 2. anything that has to do with me 3. i'm not sure and i'm too lazy to check. Love, Butt Carlos you ignorant slut,

My livejournal is on the backburner for now and right now I’m on facebook as KJ Ramo. Do a global search for me at IUP!

A Small Quiz:

1. yes. read the Bible.
2. anything that has to do with me
3. i’m not sure and i’m too lazy to check.

Love,
Butt

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